Comments on: Do Not Take The Law Into Your Own Hands http://www.chankelwin.com/2007/05/23/do-not-take-the-law-into-your-own-hands/ My personal views on Malaysia and the world around me Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:24:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Chan Kelwin http://www.chankelwin.com/2007/05/23/do-not-take-the-law-into-your-own-hands/#comment-20 Chan Kelwin Wed, 23 May 2007 12:27:52 +0000 http://www.chankelwin.com/2007/05/23/do-not-take-the-law-into-your-own-hands/#comment-20 <strong>@Wahlau.NET</strong> I agree on HALF of what you've said. They (the snatch thieves) should know the consequences of stealing -- <strong>which is to face the law, by the law and no one else.</strong> Even if the police isn't doing enough, that doesn't give ANYONE the rights to take matters into their own hands. Again, NO ONE has the rights "to teach him a lesson". At that moment, tension will be high. Therefore, I *can* excuse "a few punches" but for this case I'm sure the deceased must have been repeatedly beaten up. My question is, "Does anyone of those who have beaten him up know the consequences of taking matters into their own hands?" To me, they are 2 X 5 (same) with the snatch thief -- breaking the law. <strong>@River of Karma</strong> I agree that crime rates are up. As Gallivanter said, apart from police (possibly) not doing enough, there are other factors that contributes to the spike in crimes. However, your suggestion of, "people publicly beating up crime doer is to send a message to the police force to beef up" is nonsense. If you have a message to send, then speak up. No one should use that as an excuse to vent out anger on the decease or other crime doer. <strong>@ed</strong> It is silly what they did. I'm not sure exactly what happened. It could be repeated beatings like the one in the video, maybe worse, maybe with a stick, I don't know. To be fair to them, it is understandable that tension is high and some beatings will take place but to the extend of killing someone, they must have gone overboard. <strong>@Gallivanter</strong> It's true and we need to get people to understand that no matter what the crime doer did, they must allow the law to do its thing. If they allow themselves to get their hands dirty like the reported case, they must face the law themselves. No excuses. @Wahlau.NET
I agree on HALF of what you’ve said. They (the snatch thieves) should know the consequences of stealing — which is to face the law, by the law and no one else.

Even if the police isn’t doing enough, that doesn’t give ANYONE the rights to take matters into their own hands. Again, NO ONE has the rights “to teach him a lesson”. At that moment, tension will be high. Therefore, I *can* excuse “a few punches” but for this case I’m sure the deceased must have been repeatedly beaten up.

My question is, “Does anyone of those who have beaten him up know the consequences of taking matters into their own hands?” To me, they are 2 X 5 (same) with the snatch thief — breaking the law.

@River of Karma
I agree that crime rates are up. As Gallivanter said, apart from police (possibly) not doing enough, there are other factors that contributes to the spike in crimes.

However, your suggestion of, “people publicly beating up crime doer is to send a message to the police force to beef up” is nonsense. If you have a message to send, then speak up. No one should use that as an excuse to vent out anger on the decease or other crime doer.

@ed
It is silly what they did. I’m not sure exactly what happened. It could be repeated beatings like the one in the video, maybe worse, maybe with a stick, I don’t know. To be fair to them, it is understandable that tension is high and some beatings will take place but to the extend of killing someone, they must have gone overboard.

@Gallivanter
It’s true and we need to get people to understand that no matter what the crime doer did, they must allow the law to do its thing. If they allow themselves to get their hands dirty like the reported case, they must face the law themselves. No excuses.

]]> By: Gallivanter http://www.chankelwin.com/2007/05/23/do-not-take-the-law-into-your-own-hands/#comment-19 Gallivanter Wed, 23 May 2007 05:47:20 +0000 http://www.chankelwin.com/2007/05/23/do-not-take-the-law-into-your-own-hands/#comment-19 Yes, it doesn't give one the right to take the live of another, even though the person's guilty. The crime rate is up is because of many socio economical factors and not just because there's not enough cops patrolling the streets. What rubbish! The public mustn't take the law into their own hands. Yes, it doesn’t give one the right to take the live of another, even though the person’s guilty. The crime rate is up is because of many socio economical factors and not just because there’s not enough cops patrolling the streets. What rubbish! The public mustn’t take the law into their own hands.

]]> By: ed http://www.chankelwin.com/2007/05/23/do-not-take-the-law-into-your-own-hands/#comment-18 ed Wed, 23 May 2007 05:05:26 +0000 http://www.chankelwin.com/2007/05/23/do-not-take-the-law-into-your-own-hands/#comment-18 Agree with you completely. As for whom should be burdened with the murder charge. I would say all of them, unless it could be proven that the final blow that killed the person would have killed the person even if the others did not add their punches and kicks. However, it could also be said that the final blow(that killed the person) might not have been struck if the person who delivered it had not been incited by the reactions of the rest of the mob. In this sense, they are all culpable. Agree with you completely.

As for whom should be burdened with the murder charge. I would say all of them, unless it could be proven that the final blow that killed the person would have killed the person even if the others did not add their punches and kicks. However, it could also be said that the final blow(that killed the person) might not have been struck if the person who delivered it had not been incited by the reactions of the rest of the mob. In this sense, they are all culpable.

]]> By: River of Karma http://www.chankelwin.com/2007/05/23/do-not-take-the-law-into-your-own-hands/#comment-17 River of Karma Wed, 23 May 2007 05:01:41 +0000 http://www.chankelwin.com/2007/05/23/do-not-take-the-law-into-your-own-hands/#comment-17 I agree with wahlau... no one realises that ppl beating up perpetrators are just a display of public frustration over the fact that forces supposed to control these things are sleeping on the job. seriously, the last 7 years has seen a sharp spike in street crimes... if they did their job...we wouldnt have to resort to this nuff said I agree with wahlau…

no one realises that ppl beating up perpetrators are just a display of public frustration over the fact that forces supposed to control these things are sleeping on the job. seriously, the last 7 years has seen a sharp spike in street crimes…

if they did their job…we wouldnt have to resort to this

nuff said

]]> By: Wahlau.NET http://www.chankelwin.com/2007/05/23/do-not-take-the-law-into-your-own-hands/#comment-16 Wahlau.NET Wed, 23 May 2007 04:40:48 +0000 http://www.chankelwin.com/2007/05/23/do-not-take-the-law-into-your-own-hands/#comment-16 they should know the consequences when they decide to steal. Police in Malaysia are not doing the job expected by public, if no one give them a scare, it will grow much more. I don't think the intention is to kill, no one wants to do that, But to teach the a lesson. Just like the snatch thief saying that his intention is to rob not kill. Plus, snatch thief have an upper hand, they decide when it happen and how the snatch shall happen. Victim and bystander will never be prepare. they should know the consequences when they decide to steal.

Police in Malaysia are not doing the job expected by public, if no one give them a scare, it will grow much more.

I don’t think the intention is to kill, no one wants to do that, But to teach the a lesson. Just like the snatch thief saying that his intention is to rob not kill.

Plus, snatch thief have an upper hand, they decide when it happen and how the snatch shall happen. Victim and bystander will never be prepare.

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